LRH: (laughs) All right. Pick up the cans.

- Okay, honey. Is it all right with you if I begin this session now?

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right. Here it is. Start of session. Has the session started for you?

PC: - Mmm. (clears throat)

LRH: Very good. All right. How are you - doing?

PC: Well, I'm fine now that I'm back in the chair. I was a bit dispersed (chuckles) out in the hall.

LRH: Oh, yeah. AU right. Now, very good. Have I missed a withhold on you?

PC: No.

LRH: Well, there's a little latent tick here. There might be something on it. (pause) There it is.

PC: Well yeah. Just uh . . . (chuckles) I was pretty, pretty far out of present time when you (laughs) ended the session.

LRH: All right. All right. Okay.

PC: That's…

LRH: All right. Did I fail to find out about that?

PC: Yeah:

LRH: All right. When was that?

PC: Well, when I went clattering down the hall by myself I couldn't find Suzie's bathroom.

LRH: All right. Very good. Okay. Now, have I missed a withhold on you?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Is there anything else there? Any other thing I might have missed a withhold on?

PC: Mm-mm [no].

LRH: Okay. Now let me check this.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Have I missed a withhold on you? All right. That's going independently.

PC: What does that mean?

LRH: Now, you listen to me.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, you listen to me now.

PC: Okay.

LRH: To me. To me. All right. Have I missed a withhold on you?

PC: No.

LRH: That's right. You're absolutely right. (chuckles)

All right. Now, we were going great guns here on something that happened in a cornfield.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Now, is it all right with you if I get on with this?

PC: Sure.

LRH: All right. Now, apparently you've been packing an awful lot of they-should-have-found-out-about-me's here, on this subject.

PC: Um.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Mostly Mother, yeah.

LRH: Well has this been basic - yes, it's Mother all right, because I've got a double tick here I'm following down.

PC: Umm.

LRH: It's a - I'm getting wider … the closer we get in to the base on this, why, the more we're getting close to this little - double tick. Okay?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: And that's what we're looking for. We're looking for something … Apparently every time you say something about your mother or his mother, or something, we get this double tick.

PC: Yeah?

LRH: See, I can turn this on here. All right. What should your mother have found out about you? See, and there's a … there it is (chuckles) - little one.

PC: Yeah, this is …

LRH: See, I say something on that order. Now, you want so answer that question?

PC: Well, sure. She should have found out that I wasn't ah … as pure and perfect as she thought I was.

LRH: As who was?

PC: As she thought I was.

LRH: Oh, all right. All right.

PC: Or that she insisted that I should be …

LRH: All right.

PC: … is more in line.

LRH: All right. Now, we're following down the track here about sleeping with a man to trap him.

PC: Umm.

LRH: And we're mining gold all the way. But I think there is an incident before 1926.

PC: I think there is, too, but I haven't a clue.

LRH: And where is it? You said two years earlier.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And you didn't know whether it was or wasn't. Well, what happened two years before this time? Where were you living?

PC: In uh …

LRH: That's it.

PC: Park City.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Montana.

LRH: Park City what?

PC: Montana.

LRH: Montana. Park City. All right. And is there some sort of an incident there where you got all missed up with somebody or something?

PC: Mm-mm [no].

LRH: Is there any incident in Park City? I don't know here. I'm getting a little bit of a rough line.

PC: Well, there could be but…

LRH: Is there some incident in Park City? No it isn't Park City. Is there some …

PC: Is it Glen Ullin - Glen Ullin, North Dakota, then?

LRH: Is that earlier?

PC: Well, that would be in - when I was four, we moved from …

LRH: Yeah.

PC: … Glen Ullin to Park City.

LRH: Well, haven't you any memory back of …

PC: No.

LRH: … that at all, huh?

PC: Just splotchy pictures.

LRH: Hm-hm. Just got some pictures?

PC: Mm.

LRH: What pictures?

PC: Well, I've got a picture of a stone house that I assume is my birthplace.

LRH: All right.

PC: Then later in Park City, I've got a couple or three pictures.

LRH: Hm-hm. All right. Is there any other - incident here with your brothers? I get a little slowdown there.

PC: Well, there is the one incident with my brother Bob. But this is not on sex-line stuff.

LRH: What about that, what roughly?

PC: Well, I was supposed to care for him, and …

LRH: And you didn't.

PC: Well, there's some mystery on this one. I don't understand my reactions in that.

LRH: Well, what is your reaction?

PC: Well, a little girl tried to take him away from me, and I got panicky …

LRH: Hm-hm,

PC: … and it's way out of proportion to the situation.

LRH: Well, what happened?

PC: I hit her in the stomach with a rock.

LRH: And what happened with that?

PC: That's all. Just - she… I - it hurt.

LRH: Hm-mm.

PC: And I got my brother back, but …

LRH: Hm. How old were you then?

PC: Four.

LRH: About four. Is that the incident here on the 19…

PC: 1924.

LRH: That's the 1924 incident.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: That's it. Tick-tick.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. This have to do with a man?

PC: Hm. Took my brother, who was a …

LRH: All right. Well was he …

PC: he was younger.

LRH: What was he? A boy?

PC: Mm-hm. Two.

LRH: All right. It had to do with a boy.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. And what about this boy?

PC: Well I was supposed to take care of hm.

LRH: Right …

PC: Mother said I should look out for him.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Ant uh … I had agreed to … to care for him.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: But uh … this little girl was just teasing, said I was … she was going to take him away from me. And just - I got panicky.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: And I it is - it was just almost a reflex action. I picked up the rock and threw it at her to stop her …

LRH: Hm-mm.

PC: … from taking him away. I don't know where the hell she would have taken him.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: She was only four, too.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: You see?

LRH: And where did the rock cut her?

PC: In the stomach.

LRH: Uh-huh. She bleed much?

PC: It didn't cut her.- It just went POW in her stomach.

LRH: I see. It just went POW in her stomach. Did she bleed much?

PC: She didn't bleed at all.

LRH: Are you sure?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You're sure?

PC: Well, no. Of course, I'm not sure. (laughs) But I don't think so.

LRH: Come on. How seriously was this little girl injured?

PC: Well she … she cried. And I just imagine, because it hit her in the stomach, that it was awful painful. It is when it - when I get hit in the stomach.

LRH: Huh?

PC: It's…

LRH: What else did you do to her?

PC: That's all - I think.

LRH: All right. Did you hit her in the stomach?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: With a rock.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: That's it. With a rock.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Who else did you hit with a rock?

PC: Oh, well, heavens, I …

LRH: Oh, well, now we're onto something else.

PC: Now, yeah. But not earlier. I mean, I used to throw rocks at my brothers. I don't think I ever hit them though.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: I was a lousy shot.

LRH: All right. But which one of them did you blood?

PC: How did blood get into the act?

LRH: I don't know how blood got into this.

PC: - Oh. (pause; laughs) Well, well, there's my brother Bob. There's the incident when I hit him into a rock. I mean, it was concrete. It wasn't I - that I threw a rock at him, but I hit his head into a rock - into concrete.

LRH: Hm-hm, you did.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And that bled?

PC: Yeah, that bled

LRH: That bled.

PC: That bled. Yes.

LRH: All right. Fine. How old was he?

PC: Uh-… he was older then. He was - oh, I should say four and I was six. That's roughly.

LRH: All right. And what did you do?

PC: I made an airplane out of him. I was swinging him around …

LRH: Yeah.

PC: … me.

LRH: Mm.

PC: I was going around and held him by the feet, you see …

LRH: Mm. Mm.

PC: and I was swinging him round, and I hit his head into the concrete block.

LRH: Because you were dispersed.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Go on.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And what happened there?

PC: Well, I injured him very seriously.

LRH: How seriously?

PC: Well, he's still got a knot on his head which he …

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: assures me every time I see him that I did it. And I did.

LRH: All right. What did this do to him mentally, at the time?

PC: Hmm. Well, he - I think he was almost out cold.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: I was going to say it cold-cocked him.

LRH: Well, did it?

PC: Uh … it stunned hm, it uh … it did. Yes.

LRH: Mm. Mm. What did you think you had done at that time?

PC: Well, I thought I had injured him beyond repair, really.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Like his head was pretty wide open.

LRH: And when was that?

PC: 1926, I would say roughly.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I'm not sure.

LRH: All right. When was it? Have you been told about this or do you remember it?

PC: Oh, no. I remember it.

LRH: You remember doing this.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right.

PC: … was having a ball.

LRH: All right. And?

PC: And I slipped, actually. I mean, I got his head too low, and it cracked up against the concrete.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: And he - he was stunned. I don't remember whether Mother patched him up or not.

LRH: All right. Well what might have appeared there?

PC: Well, the wound.

LRH: Hm-hm. Very good. And who didn't find out about it?

PC: I don I think Dad did.

LRH: Hm-hm. Who did you withhold that from?

PC: Well, from Dad.

LRH: Hm-hm. Anybody else fail to find out about it?

PC: The doctor. I don't think he was taken to the doctor.

LRH: Took him to the doctor?

PC: They didn't take him.

LRH: They didn't

PC: Mm-mm [no].

LRH: Doctor didn't find out about it.

PC: Mm-mm [no].

LRH: Well, who else didn't find out about it?

PC: (sighs) I'm not so sure Mother did. I think it was my sister patched him up.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: I don't remember, but I don't think she did.

LRH: Was there a big secrecy involved in this?

PC: Well, just occlusions more than secrecy. I don 't remember.

LRH: Oh, no-no, no, no, no-no-no, no, no. Now, now, you weren't carrying any banner signs around there …

PC: Oh, of course not!

LRH: … telling everybody "I busted my little brother's head open."

PC: No no, no. No.

LRH: All right. Who did you keep this from?

PC: Oh, well, I kept that from the kids in school, and teachers, and…

LRH: Hm-hm, And your father and your mother?

PC: Mother, and anybody that would have made me guilty.

LRH: All right.

PC: Like the towns people.

LRH: Very good. And do you actually remember, now, suppressing that?

PC: Yeah. Sure you wouldn't - that's a now-I'm-supposed-to, actually. I mean, you wouldn't go around saying you'd bashed your brother's head in.

LRH: Yeah, but did your mama know about it?

PC: I don't think so.

LRH: How did she escape knowing about it?

PC: Oh, well, my sister was very effective in patching up wounds.

LRH: Mm-hm. Mm-mm. She helped you suppress this.

PC: Yeah. Well, actually my brother did too.

LRH: He helped you, too.

PC: Well, we protected each other from our parents.

LRH: All right. Very good. And did you get your brother to agree not to tell?

PC: No it was a tacit agreement.

LRH: I see. You didn't tell him not to tell.

PC: No

LRH: You just knew he wouldn't.

PC: Yeah. I just knew he wouldn't.

LRH: And your father didn't find out?

PC: No.

LRH: And your mother didn't …

PC: I know my father didn't.

LRH: Your mother didn't find out?

PC: I'm not sure…

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: about my mother, whether it was Mother that patched him. Mother would have protected us …

LRH: Well, did your sister even know?

PC: (Sigh) Well … (pause) I don't know. I don't know. It was either Mother or my sister Agatha that patched him up. And if it was Mother, my sister didn't know.

LRH: Hm?

PC: If it was Mother that patched him up, then my sister didn't know.

LRH: Well, which is it that didn't know?

PC: I don't know. Must have been my sister because I think my mother would have beat me up, and I don't remember getting beaten up by my mother. I'm just assuming now though.

LRH: You got this figured out that way.

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Yeah.

PC: It's just logical.

LRH: But here's a head injury - here's a head injury that remained a secret to your family.

PC: (pause) Hm.

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right.

PC: That s not unusual.

LRH: All right. It's not unusual, but I'm just pointing out that here is …

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: … an incident of that character. What else did you do to bloody your brothers up?

PC: (pause) Well, I've got the later incident with my brother Jake when we got into a fight.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I didn't bloody him up though. Oh, I guess I did. I scratched him.

LRH: Oh, you guess you did it.

PC: Uh yes, I did.

LRH: Now come on. Did you or didn't you?

PC: Yes, I did.

LRH: All right. When was it?

PC: Oh, that was way later. I was about fifteen.

LRH: All right, honey. And what did that consist of?

PC: You mean, you want all of it? (chuckles)

LRH: Well …

PC: (laughs) Well, I was supposed to fix has lunch, and I didn't. So he tried to get me to fix his lunch, and I fought back.

LRH: Yeah. And what did you do?

PC: Well I just uh … See, I was littler than he was. And I just fought like I wasn't.

LRH: All right. Okay.

PC: And I - he got so mad that he forgot I was littler, and we had a fought like we were evenly matched.

LRH: Yeah. What did you do to him?

PC: Oh. just uh . . it was pretty dispersed, but I - I kicked and clawed and bit …

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: in any part of the body that I could - could get ahold of …

LRH: All right. Good. And what did you do?

PC: Uh … well, mostly scratched him and bit him.

LRH: All right.

PC: … kicked - yeah, I kicked him, too.

LRH: Did you bloody him up?

PC: Don't - he got - I don't have a picture, but I assume if I - if scratched, I would have bloodied him up. Sure.

LRH: Mmm.

PC: I mean I …

LRH: Well, what do you know you've done there?

PC: Just that I fought tooth and toenail …

LRH: All right.

PC: … with all the strength I could conjure up at fifteen …

LRH: That's good.

PC: … with this body.

LRH: All right.

PC: Now I know.

LRH: All right. And who did you both keep that from?

PC: Mother.

LRH: All right. Anybody else?

PC: Dad.

LRH: All right. Okay. That's all.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Seems like seems like you didn't seem to enjoy the confidence of your parents anywhere along the line.

PC: I didn't. (chuckles)

LRH: You didn't, huh?

PC: Oh, no.

LRH: What did you do? Has this lifetime been a career of keeping things away from your mother?

PC: Mm-mm. Mostly Dad.

LRH: Mostly Dad.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mother? Keeping things from Mother?

PC: Well, yeah. There would be some type things I'd keep from Mother, and there'd be other type.

LRH: Sex.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Sex you'd keep from Mother.

PC: Yeah. I'd keep from Mother.

LRH: That's good.

PC: And anything that would provoke my dad's temper, I would keep from Dad. And fighting would provoke his temper, you see?

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. He'd get mad, in other words.

PC: Oh, he'd get… Yeah.

LRH: He'd get furious.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. So keeping things from Dad? That's bing, bing.

Now, what type of thing would you keep from Dad?

PC: Well, I'd keep breakage…

LRH: Yeah.

PC: … getting unto trouble with uh …

LRH: Good.

PC: … the school authorities.

LRH: All right.

PC: And beating up the guy who tried to beat us up for stealing his watermelons.

LRH: Right.

PC: These things.

LRH: Go on.

PC: Just if I would get into trouble …

LRH: All right.

PC: … I would keep it from Dad.

LRH: Any trouble …

PC: Yeah.

LRH: … would be kept from Dad.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: So he's the symbol of no - communication if in trouble.

PC: (chuckles) Yeah.

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Well, he's more than that. He wouldn't let us talk to him, actually, either.

LRH: He said, no, huh?

PC: He just said "Don't talk! Just talk when you 're spoken to."

LRH: Oh, I see. All right.

PC: And we hat that one and then the other one, we don't talk if we got into trouble, because why invite more trouble?

LRH: All right. How did you trap your father?

PC: Oh! Gee! I did that with ARC.

LRH: All right. How did you do that?

PC: Just uh … (sighs) I …

LRH: Go on.

PC: Well, I just wouldn't let him keep this game going. I moved in, got close to him.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Got him off of this German "I am the father and you are the child, so therefore you must never speak to me unless you're spoken to."

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I just would speak to him.

LRH: Mm.

PC: I would demonstrate affection.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And it worked.

LRH: All right. What didn't he find out about this?

PC: Hmm. (sighs) Well, mostly what he didn't find out was that he didn't have a prayer with … with this - with our family after he got off of that one that he used to control us.

LRH: All right. And what didn't he have a prayer with, how, exactly?

PC: Well, he didn't have a prayer with me or the rest of the family, I think.

LRH: Good. Now how did you trap him, specifically and exactly?

PC: Well, I don't remember exactly when it was, but I know there was the first time when I kissed him.

LRH: I see.

PC: You know?

LRH: All right. Very, very good. When was that?

PC: Uh …

LRH: That's it.

PC: Well, that was, I would should say 1938. But, actually, what I'd - happened is I stumbled onto this earlier incident of violence.

LRH: Of what?

PC: Of violence with him …

LRH: Yeah?

PC: which was not an answer to our question. (laughs)

LRH: I didn't get what this earlier incident was of …

PC: Well, I've got an incident when I was sixteen when I stopped him from beating Mother.

LRH: Oh, I see.

PC: And it got into a violent - violent incident rather than …

LRH: I see.

PC: an incident of affection.

LRH: Oh, all right. That's perfectly all right.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Nobody is worrying about this.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Now, you trapped him with a kiss. Is that right?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right.

PC: That's - was affection there that actually trapped him.

LRH: An affection. Did you feel the affection?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, something wrong with affection here, honey.

PC: Well …

LRH: What is this all about?

PC: Well, you don't demonstrate affection to a German father!

LRH: I know, but what about affection in general?

PC: Well, youuuuuuu - well, actually, it's a trap.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: It's - that traps men.

LRH: Affection is a trap.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is that - that's the way it equates.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: That's the way it equates.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Very good.

All right, (PC chuckles) who doesn't know about this?

PC: Charlie doesn't know this.

LRH: Alright How about Jimmy?

PC: Well, yeah, Jimmy doesn't know about this. Actually, this is what goes on with me with the students here, too.

LRH: All right

PC: I want to get close to them, but I already know it's a trap …

LRH: Yeah, go on. Go on.

PC: to be affectionate. Go on what? Who else doesn't know?

LRH: Tell me. Go on. Who doesn't know about this?

PC: Oh!

LRH: Just get the roster out here.

PC: Well, my dad didn't know it.

LRH: All right.

PC: My brothers.

LRH: That-a-girl.

PC: My …

LRH: That-a-girl.

PC: (pause) Any - I - I've got it just it's in a trap - it's a trap if you - if you have affection for a man.

LRH: I see.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: I see. All right. And who doesn't find out about this?

PC: (sighs) Well, none of the - none of the men I've ever known.

LRH: Just the lot.

PC: Yeah!

LRH: All right. Very good. Very good. That's all I was trying to check into.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about the little kids that you were around?

PC: Well, it's all right to feel affection for kids.

LRH: Well, come on. How early did this start?

PC: Well, it started early - real early with - me with my father. But like it was all right for me to feel …

LRH: There we are. There we are. The tick tick. Started very early with you or your father.

PC: With my father.

LRH: Did you - how old were you? Four, two, three, what? Four? Two? One? One?

PC: Probably.

LRH: But did you know at that time that it was a …

PC: No.

LRH: … action?

Well, when did you overtly use this to betray him?

PC: Well that time when I was eight - eighteen.

LRH: All right. And what happened there exactly? Now, we got onto that a moment ago and got off of it.

PC: Well, just I intended to get him off of this other one he had on. You know, where he's totally individuated. So I demonstrated the affection for him …

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: and then … hmm … like he was trapped and I was trapped, both, on this one.

LRH: Hm-hm. Is that so?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. What didn't appear there?

PC: Hmm. (long pause) This one flipped … I - I have trouble with it because I don't ever know whether it's what's supposed to. You know, like a thing that didn't appear there was just actually a warning or a - of things to come.

LRH: All right. All right. Very good. What things to come?

PC: Well, like he was vulnerable then. Mother used this one on him particularly.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: She would withdraw affection from him.

LRH: All right. Very good. And who didn't find out about it?

PC: Well, actually I didn't find out about it at that point. I didn't realize that's what I was doing.

LRH: All right. When did you decide this was what you were doing?

PC: Well just - I didn't really connect it up until now.

LRH: Oh, all right. Very good. Very good.

PC: That - that this is part of the thing that goes on with me.

LRH: All right.

PC: That used to bug me.

LRH: All right. This seems real to you.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: I haven't forced any cognition's on you, have I?

PC: No no. of course not. See, this - I have got a late incident. It happened here on course - is the lost incident.

LRH: Yeah? Yeah. Well, there's a whole series of these incidents.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And they consist of "trapped with affection."

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Trapped with affection.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. All right. Very good. Okay.

Now, how far back does this go?

PC: Well, it doesn't go - just to trap with affection doesn't go. I just wouldn't do it. I never would do that, I don't think. (long pause) I don't remember any earlier incidents. I mean, I would try not to.

LRH: Try not to trap with affection.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And what does that do? What's the result of that?

PC: You're lonely.

LRH: Oh, I see. So if you use affection, you trap?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And if you don't use affection, you don't trap?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: I see. All right, honey. All right. And that's very interesting. When is the first time you really trapped a man that way? Or a boy?

PC: Oh, wait a minute. I do have some incidents on this. Actually, I've got an incident with a priest.

LRH: Hm?

PC: (laughs) With a priest …

LRH: Oh, yeah.

PC: this life. Yeah. Father O'Sullivan. That's what happened there; it just …

LRH: All right. What life was that?

PC: This life.

LRH: This life?

PC: Yeah. Huh.

LRH: You were a …

PC: …was a Catholic this life you see.

LRH: Oh, yeah; All right.

PC: And I was uh - oh, fifteen, sixteen, when Father O'Sullivan was our parish priest.

LRH: All right. Good. And what happened?

PC: Well, it was just I got - just got real - close to him.

LRH: Good.

PC: Got to liking him.

LRH: Good.

PC: And he - it was a real close, affectionate situation. Nothing sexual.

LRH: I know, but uh …

PC: It was affec - there was a lot of affection …

LRH: All right.

PC: … there for - for one - me for him and him for me.

LRH: Okay. Now, exactly what occurred. Something must have occurred.

PC: Well, yeah. l was actually … This is - this is interesting in view of the fact I said I'm stupid. I was the outstanding student in the catechism class.

LRH: Ah! Very good.

PC: And got just well, just uh, by being outstanding and smart in catechism, I attracted his attention.

LRH: All right. Good.

PC: And just … I've got a real pull for the affection for him.

LRH: Hm-hm. Go on.

PC: Well, this one was pretty disastrous, because you don't really get that close to a priest.

LRH: Yeah, all right.

PC: It violates the …

LRH: All right.

PC: (laughs) … all that's holy in the "Catholic church," you see?

LRH: Right.

PC: But that's all that happened. There wasn't any …

LRH: Well now, what was disastrous about it? (brief pause) That's it.

PC: Well, for one thing, l don't think he's any longer a priest.

LRH: Oh, really?

PC: Don't think so.

LRH: What did you do?

PC: Well, I don't think I did … I think I just contributed to this one.

LRH: Yeah, but what happened? There's a …

PC: Just - just that I - I got closer to a priest than a girl …

LRH: All right.

PC: … is supposed to get to a priest.

LRH: And then what happened?

PC: Then he left town.

LRH: Why did he leave town?

PC: I don't know but I do know that he was moved to an Indian mission, which is a reduction in status for a priest.

LRH: All right. Well, what occurred? What happened there? You got a - you're leaving me with blank.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. You're very bright in class, and you get next to this priest, and then he leaves town.

PC: Well, there - actually, there wasn't anything else did happen.

LRH: Well, what did you do that was an overt?

PC: Just got that close to him.

LRH: And that what?

PC: Just to form that much of a personal relationship with him.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: To be on that uh … just on the same basis with him rather than as a priest - girl in the parish.

LRH: Good. Bing-bing. Now what … There's something there, see?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: There's something there. There's something more there than just that.

PC: There is?

LRH: What is it?

PC: Well, there's - there was an incident there when uh …

LRH: Yeah, that's what we want. What is it?

PC: I went into a game with him that you don't - you shouldn't play with a priest. Like I… got mad at him and told him I was never going to speak to him again. And then he got me to speak to him again. I was walking down the street one day and I saw him, and I just had my head … I wasn't going to speak to him.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: And as he passed me, he put his face into my face and said, "Hello."

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: And we got back into communication again.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: But there really… That's about all …

LRH: Nothing else happened?

PC: No.

LRH: Was there anything happened there? Was there anything happened with that priest?

PC: Mm-mm. That's an - that's enough.

LRH: Was this kind of charged?

PC: Well, that's enough!

LRH: What's enough?

PC: Well, to get that close to a priest! You're not supposed to get close to a priest. Now - uh?

LRH: What did you do to the man?

PC: I don't know.

LRH: Would this ruin him in some way? What's the overt here? Showing affection?

PC: Well, it's - it's knocking him off his priest - priestliness. I mean, he was a man instead of a priest.

LRH: All right. All right. But what happened here, exactly? Did you set out to plan to do this?

PC: No.

LRH: Did you know this was bad?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You did know this was bad?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, you went ahead and did it, though.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Oh, you knew it was bad …

PC: Mm.

LRH: … and you went head and did it.

PC: Well sure.

LRH: All right. Who didn't find out about it?

PC: Oh, well, hell, my mother didn't find out about that, or any of the church people.

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: Besides that, if they'd have found out about it, they'd have said I was uh … trying to sleep with him, which I wasn't, I don't think.

LRH: Hm-hm. All right. All right. Okay. And what appeared there then?

PC: Well, a man instead of a priest!

LRH: Oh, all right. All right. And who didn't find out about that?

PC: Well, he didn't.

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, when was this exactly?

PC: In '36. I was sixteen, I think.

LRH: Over what period of time was it? How many weeks? months? days?

PC: Uh … was that - that summer when I was being prepared for confirmation.

LRH: Go on.

PC: Uh … was in the summertime - was in summer school. I was being prepared for confirmation, to it was over a period of weeks.

LRH: Over a period of weeks.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very good. And what didn't appear there?

PC: Hm. I'm hung up on a - occurrence there, too.

LRH: What is the occurrence?

PC: Well, he flipped me one time when he was testing us finally for our uh … whether we were fit to be confirmed. And he tested all the other students on uh … the catc - the catechism.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: But he asked me questions out of the Bible. That was a betrayal, because I didn't know anything about the Bible.

LRH: Oh, I see. All right. Good enough. And who didn't find out about it?

PC: What…

LRH: Who didn't get any answers? (LRH: and PC laugh)

PC: He didn't. He didn't. I hit a blank.

LRH: All right. You hit a blank.

PC: Ah.

LRH: That's quite interesting. Before that, you were bright. Is that what you are saying?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: And after that you were stupid.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. How do you account for this?

PC: Why, that I was just - I was going to … cognite (laughs) on this. I was wondering if this had any connection with …

LRH: Well, is that correct?

PC: Well yeah. It - just after that I had . .

LRH: Am I rushing your cognition?

PC: Yeah. You are. (laughs)

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Good enough.

PC: Cause it was - just that feeling there of stupidity.

LRH: You ever spot this before?

PC: No not really.

LRH: All right.

PC: But I - there's something else there.

LRH: Yeah. what is there?

PC: Well, a feel there that I betrayed hm.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: And…

LRH: Did you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How?

PC: I was supposed to be smart. I was supposed to know about the Bible.

LRH: Oh, I see. You were supposed to know …

PC: Mmm.

LRH: … about the Bible.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. And what happened?

PC: I didn't.

LRH: Uh-huh.

PC: I didn't ever…

LRH: And who didn't find out about it?

PC: Well, he did - he didn't find out it soon enough to not ask me the questions.

LRH: I see. Well, when did this examination - this examination take place, in front of witnesses?

PC: Oh, yeah. Up in front of the other students.

LRH: Oh, I see. All right. And that was a source of what to you?

PC: Well, a source of failure on him, like I was supposed to …

TBD

LRH: What were you trying to cover up in front of these students?

PC: (Pause) Huh?

LRH: That area must be loaded with missed withholds.

PC: Well, I did try to cover up that he - that I was his favorite.

LRH: Yeah. All right. What else didn't they find out there?

PC: (pause) Well, you know, what I have a feel of here is that they failed to find out, was that I didn't consider myself smart because I knew catechism. Catechism is a cinch.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I mean, there's - any knucklehead could learn about catechism.

LRH: All right. And they didn't find out about that?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, did you to anything to this priest?

PC: Well I sure let him down that day.

LRH: All right. Very good. This made him feel foolish?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm-hm. Did he look confused?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: All right. So what did you do there?

PC: Mm. I was noticing something else there, too.

LRH: What?

PC: Well, he expected … this has happened a lot in my life. He expected me to be smarter than I was. I didn't come through, you know?

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I've got an incident like that on you.

LRH: Yeah, yeah. All right.

PC: In '55.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. And your brightness failed to appear, is that right?

PC: Yeah! It sure did, man!

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: That's - that's right. It …

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Let me down boy. It didn't appear.

LRH: (chuckles) All right. Very good. And who hasn't found out - who's been in the dark about this?

PC: You.

LRH: All right.

PC: It's failing to appear here, too, you know - (laughs) my brightness. Yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay. All right. Very good. All right, then, what's the missed withhold?

PC: I ain't as bright as people think I am, is actually the missed withhold.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: I'm not.

LRH: And well, what is that the thing that everybody misses on you?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: Mother and all.

LRH: Everybody misses this.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: One and all.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Let's go back to this incident in the cornfield.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Is that a piece of it?

PC: Uh.

LRH: Is that part of the same picture?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah? Well, how is it part of the same picture?

PC: Well, my brightness didn't appear there, because if it had have, I would have known that Mother - this was not one of Mothers acceptability's. She - that she - just, sex was something she just couldn't confront.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Okay. Now, is there any earlier incident when somebody should have known this?

PC: (pause) No. That I - not that I remember.

LRH: All right. I don't get anything clicking on the meter.

PC: Oh, good. (sighs)

LRH: All right. Now, there seems to be, though, a whole chain of incidents here.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Something on this order.

PC: Yeah. There is.

LRH: Just describe this circumstance to me here. Just what we've been finding out and plumbing into here, and so forth.

PC: Well what I've got straight is that any darn fool can learn anything that they have - you know, that's easy to learn.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: But uh, if it's hard, I'm not bright. I can't learn anything hard.

LRH: All right. Good. Click-click. There it is.

PC: Yeah. Sure, I mean, Scientology auditing is hard.

LRH: All right.

PC: Like, I can sit town and get a preclear to talk to me.

LRH: All right.

PC: But I can't do a heck of a lot with Class III stuff.

LRH: All right.

PC: You know?

LRH: Click-click.

PC: (sniffs) Mmm.

LRH: Hm-hm. Well, how does this all add up?

PC: (sighs; pause) Well, it adds up to "I am not acceptable to people as soon as they find out I'm not bright." That's how it adds up.

LRH: Now, what proved this to you when you were four or six or something like that? What…

PC: Well, because Mother told me I was no - not acceptable to her.

LRH: When did she say this?

PC: When I was four.

LRH: Hm hm. What did you do?

PC: I …

LRH: What had you done?

PC: You mean because she said that?

LRH: Mmm.

PC: Well, I had communicated to her about an experience that I thought she - you know, that …[gap in recording]

LRH: Is there another sexual incident when you were - that. Bing, bang. What's that?

PC: Well, did - I've always had a - a horror that one day I was going to get something unoccluded and find that my father had sexually …

LRH: All right.

PC: But I uh … I have no recall on this.

LRH: All right. Very good. We got the same tick-tick on your father here a while ago.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Now, what is this? Did something happen with your father?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Was there some sexual incident with your father?

PC: No, except that he was capable of it.

LRH: Bing. Bang. Is there a sexual incident with your father?

PC: Before? No

LRH: Well, at any time.

PC: No. The only thing that I have on my father is that one time when I was taking a bath I didn't pull the curtains, and he uh … watched me through the windows when I was naked.

LRH: All right.

PC: That's all he did.

LRH: When was that?

PC: Oh, I was eighteen - nine - seventeen or eighteen then - by then.

LRH: All right. All right. Good.

PC: And then, of course, the other thing I have is I've always been afraid of - my father was going to sexually molest me, ever since I was a child I was afraid …

LRH: Thought what?

PC: Huh?

LRH: Ever since you were what?

PC: A child.

LRH: Yeah. You always were afraid of that.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, who told you this.

PC: Well, Mother told me.

LRH: What did she tell you?

PC: Well, she told me that he wasn't uh … safe to be around. Girls weren't safe to be around hm.

LRH: Oh, I see. And who didn't find out about her telling you?

PC: Dad.

LRH: All right. Who else didn't find out about it? Anybody else?

PC: I doubt it. She used to scream this one to the high housetops whenever she was um …

LRH: And what did she used to scream to the high housetop?

PC: That he was a monster and a beast and all this type of thing. I …

LRH: Is that so?

PC: Mm.

LRH: All right.

PC: My mother never did uh … uh …

LRH: All right. Did anything of this character ever happen?

PC: Did - with Dad, you mean?

LRH: Hm-mm.

PC: Well, not that I know of. I've heard of incidences where he did. My mother…

Actually, I'm sure it was true, but I didn't know about it until later.

LRH: What was true?

PC: Well, that he had molested my uh … aunt when she was nine.

LRH: All right.

PC: But uh this was way before my time.

LRH: Mmm.

PC: And I didn't find out about that till I was sixteen.

LRH: All right. Is any of this an overt against your father?

PC: (sighs) Well, now it is because I have a better understanding what was going on with him. Now, let's see, was it at the time? It seems like it was, some feel there but not any…

LRH: Mm, all right. Well, what's this four year old incident we're looking for?

PC: Umm.

LRH: Tick-tick. What is it? Tick-tick what is it? Come on. There it is.

PC: Yeah. Well, this one's been plaguing me ever since '50, and I don't know what it is.

LRH: Oh, you've had something plaguing you since '50.

PC: Yeah. This turns up quite often.

LRH: What?

PC: Just that there - I get four and six messed up.

LRH: Is that the only thing about it that plagues you?

PC: No it just uh … I feel like something did happen, but I don't know what it is.

LRH: All right. All right. Very good. All right. Now, just think about this for a moment.

What happened to you when you were four? That's it.

PC: Well, what I thought of is I moved from North Dakota to Park City, but that - that happened to me, but …

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: … that doesn't seem very significant.

LRH: All right. What did you do? What did you do when you were four? That's it Tickety-tick.

PC: Now I have a stuck picture of the granary - when I was sitting in the granary.

LRH: Granary.

PC: Mm. But I don't know what I did.

LRH: What granary?

PC: Uh - this I think, is in Park City. I think

LRH: All right. Well, who hasn't found out about it?

PC: Most auditors

LRH: All right. Who else hasn't found out about it? -

PC: Well, Mother did … I don't think Mother found out about it.

LRH: All right. Who else hasn't fount out about this four-year-old incident?

PC: (sighs) Well, I haven't found out about it.

LRH: All right. Very good. How long haven't you found out about it?

PC: Sheesh, ever since 1950, when it got dredged up somehow in engram running.

LRH: 1950.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Very good. Now, who missed that - withhold in 1950?

PC: Mildred.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Mildred. My first - one of my first auditors.

LRH: All right. And what did she miss? Tick-tick.

PC: Hm. Just missed that I feel there is something there and I don't know what it is.

LRH: All right. Did you tell her there was something there?

PC: Well, it was more like she was making - you know, having me go earlier and earlier, and I would - I bumped into it.

LRH: And what did you bump into?

PC: Just uh … uh … more of a - an impression that something happened.

LRH: What's the impression? What do you mean, impression?

PC: Four. All I get is - just a picture flashes that I'm on this granary - I was sitting in the grainary and I'm sure I had something that I had stolen, but I don't know what it is.

And I'm sure it was something that belonged to the neighbor gal, and I don't - I - I'm sure I was hiding.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: But that's all I can get on it.

LRH: All right. Is that what you bumped into when you were in 1950?

PC: Uh . . the impression - it didn't really …

LRH: Oh, you know more about it now than …

PC: Yeah

LRH: … you did in '50.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Has this sort of haunted you, this little four-year-old period here?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Well, who's missed it as a withhold?

PC: Well Mildred missed it.

LRH: Who else?

PC: Paul.

LRH: Good. Who else?

PC: Actually, Donna is the one that uh … dredged it up. I got more on it with her than any other auditor.

LRH: Oh, people have been looking for this?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: I see. Good. And who's missed it?

PC: Um … Juanita.

LRH: Good. Who else has missed it?

PC: (sighs; pause) Hm. Uh, I was looking at the '55 auditors. Hazel Hart.

LRH: All right. Good. Who else has missed it?

PC: Actually, Dick missed it here on uh… course.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah. He was …

LRH: Good. Good.

PC: … poking around in that area.

LRH: All right. Who else has missed it.

PC: That's about all. The one I'm looking at here is just a long - the - all these auditors poking around trying to uncover this one and never being able to …

LRH: Hm-hm.

PC: … get it.

LRH: Did you think there was anything there originally?

PC: Uh . . not uh … No, not really.

LRH: You didn't think there was anything …

PC: No

LRH: … there originally.

PC: Yeah. It's just that uh …

LRH: Just a …

PC: … there should be something when I - that I should have a time track when I'm four years old, shouldn't I? (laughs)

LRH: I see. All right. All right. Is it because the time track is missing there?

PC: That's partially it. The other one is that I have got the confusion there. I've always had the six-year-old picture …

LRH: Mmm.

PC: … and I always got it confused: it's now, it's six; it's four, it's six …

LRH: Mm-hm. And u this what they usually take off on?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: And so forth. And you usually bring this up.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Is that right?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Now, how do you always bring this up?

PC: (sighs) Because they ask me questions on it, and I never know what to do with it. I mean you - how am I supposed to answer up to something I don't remember?

LRH: All right. But how come this turns up in the first place?

PC: Because my attention just goes that way. I go bloomp on this picture, and then I go four, six. There must some - been something happened at four.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: I go figuring on it.

LRH: Hm-mm. Well, who basically is missing this withhold?

PC: (sighs) Well, I am, basically.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Fine. Is there anything there that's withheld?

PC: Just …

LRH: Is there anything happened when you were four?

PC: I don't know. You see, th-there must - have been something happened, but I don't know.

LRH: Well, good. Well, why do you want auditors to look there?

PC: I don't, particularly.

LRH: Look. Look-a-here. We're going over this ground.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: How come we're sitting there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That's fascinating …

PC: Yeah!

LRH: … isn't it? (pause) now, is there something on either side of this that you want an auditor to avoid? I'm not asking you a dirty question.

PC: Mm, I don 't mind you asking.

LRH: But is there something there you'd like to be - something there that you want an avoidance on? There something there you're trying to avoid? Is there something there you're trying to get auditors to avoid?

PC: No.

LRH: Nope. That's right. This is clean.

PC: Hm-mm.

LRH: See, I've got to ask these questions to straighten it out.

PC: Hm-mm.

LRH: All right. Did anything happen when you were four? I don't find anything on - the meter.

PC: (exhales) Well, that's fine with me.

LRH: Well, who insisted there was something at four? I just asked you if there was something at four. I haven't insisted there's anything there. But who, amongst your auditors, insisted there was something there?

PC: (sighs; pause) Well… (pause) Uh … I don 't know what they …

LRH: There is something right there.

PC: Yeah, well, I'm not sure that they insisted; just like it come up and they would poke.

LRH: They'd what?

PC: They'd poke on - in that area to see if we could open up the track.

LRH: Yeah.

PC: You know? Uh I don't think they insisted on it, however: Like I would do the same thing I did tonight: it's six, it's four, it's six, it's four.

LRH: Well what do you do? Cut your throat on the subject of sex when you were about four - six by telling on your brother? Is there some regret involved in this?

PC: Well, sure.

LRH: Yeah, what's the regret?

PC: (pause) Well … (long pause; sighs) Actually: the most regret I have on this is Mother.

Because, I mean, l didn't uh… cut my brothers throat on this one. I mean, Mother beat him up, but then that isn't particularly disastrous. You know?

LRH: Well, what's disastrous there?

PC: That my mother had uh well, had her ideas of a how a little girl should behave, shook.

LRH: Mmm.

PC: I hadn't intended that.

LRH: Mmm. Do something to your mother?

PC: Well sure I just I did - I indulged in sex play that was totally something she didn't want me to do Yeah, she's got something like "you're ruined if you do." You know?

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: 'Course, I have too.

LRH: Mm-mm.

PC: Yeah. And like I-I didn't ever intend for her to get this one shook up.

LRH: Get what?

PC: Get this idea of hers shook up

LRH: Mm-mm. Well did she talk to you about the commercial value of all this?

PC: That was later.

LRH: Oh, yeah. But at that time there was something about this.

PC: Yeah I didn't actually know she was - was sitting that strongly on… on it.

LRH: I see. All right. Now, let's skip what you don't know. Let's take a look at what you know in that period. (PC sighs) Now, that do you know in that period?

PC: What period?

LRH: Anytime. Four, six, somewhere around in that lifetime area, in that life area.

PC: Well, I know that incident.

LRH: All right.

PC: l know the incident when I was four when I hit my - that little girl. I was four then.

LRH: When you were four …

PC: Hm.

LRH: … you were what?

PC: I hit that little girl. I know about that.

LRH: You know about that.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Is that an overt?

PC: Well, sure.

LRH: All right. How long have you known about that?

PC: Well I've always known that one.

LRH: All right. Good And what other incident do you know in four-six period?

PC: (pause) Oh, wait a minute. I-I-I know why auditors would go off on this one, is because I still have that uh … one there that is the uh-… divided thing where I was sitting in the hall. I don't - I can't account for that.

LRH: What hall?

PC: Yeah, it's a side porch.

LRH: Yeah, what about the side porch? You mean you got - had a - what about this picture? You mean you've got a picture there …

PC: Mm.

LRH: … and auditors keep hitting it?

PC: Yeah. It turns - it uh, it just automatically comes up when I think about that uh …

LRH: I see. At four you get a picture of the side porch.

PC: Yeah. And so on …

LRH: Six and four.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Ohhh. Is it…

PC: Like…

LRH: … is it this lifetime?

PC: Hm ?

LRH: Is the picture anything to do with this lifetime?

PC: I can't be sure about that.

LRH: Mm-mm. So you got a picture.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Interesting. How many other pictures you got? (pause) Bang! What's that?

PC: Well, I bumped into that one where I saw that man sitting on the - in the rocking chair He was a monster.

LRH: Hm?

PC: (laughs) Oh, I saw this monster sitting in the rocking chair, and … But this actually is an actual … I don't know whether I slapped a picture over it or there was actually a man - man sitting there. But he was there and I called my sister and she came out, and he wasn't. He'd disappeared out of the chair.

LRH: Yeah…

PC: I got that picture.

LRH: All right. All right. Okay. All right. Now, what don't we know about this period?

PC: (sighs) Mmmmmmmm.

LRH: What is unknown about this period?

PC: Well, everything - my whole chronological events of my life in that period is unknown to me.

LRH: All right. Very good. And who been missing all these?

PC: Oh, well, all the auditors missed that.

LRH: Well, good. What's the withholds in this area? What are the real withholds in this area?

PC: (Pause) Well, my whole … my life is a withhold there. What did I do? What was I like? You know?

LRH: Hmm. All right. And who's been missing it?

PC: Mostly me.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Very good. Very good. And any other data you'd like to tell me about concerning that right now? All right. We got a little halt - little click, little click. What's that? What are you going over? Bing. Bing. What are you going over there?

PC: Well mostly, I've - I'm … come into present time and noticing it was getting late is all.

LRH: All right. Good. Is that what you're noticing?

PC: Hmm..

LRH: All right. Very good. Now, what about sleeping with a man to trap him?

PC: Jimmy is the only one I'd - or it would have been Charlie.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Yeah, Jimmy and Charlie. No, this isn't true. I had some promiscuity …

LRH: Hm?

PC: I had some promiscuity occurred in between Jimmy and Charlie. But I wasn't intending to entrap.

LRH: All right. Very good. All right. Just let me ask you that question now.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Let's find out what this is - what the reaction we get on this.

PC: Hmm.

LRH: All right. What about sleeping with a man to trap him? Just seems peculiarly uncharged now.

PC: Mmm. This feels uncharged.

LRH: Well, do you suddenly feel better about it?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Did you feel worse about it than you do feel?

PC: Well, I did during the break - felt worse - worse …

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: than I did. Uh … I feel all right about it now.

LRH: Mm-mm. Do you think anything has occurred here, then?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What?

PC: Well I feel more uh-uh … well, actually, less frantic about uh … the whole thing, and notice a lot of connections between my present behavior and uh … past stuff.

LRH: Hm, hm.

PC: You know?

LRH: Hmm.

PC: Like it's what's going on with me with this chronic PTP is just the story of my life.

LRH: All right, honey.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Nothing too new in this then.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right, honey. Now, we got a null on this "What" question.

PC: Oh. Good-o.

LRH: And so if it's all right with you, why, I'd like to end that Prepcheckng and bring us down the line.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Okay?

PC: That's fine. Fine.

LRH: All right? All right? Okay. Anything you care to say or ask before I end that Prepchecking?

PC: No just …

LRH: All right.

PC: … thank you.

LRH: All right. All right. Here we go. Okay. Let's walk into these end rudiments, huh?

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Have you told me any half-truth? Have you told me any half-truth? Untruth? - All right. Come up to present time.

PC: Mm. Okay.

LRH: All right. (PC sighs) See if we get this thing a little bit better here.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Have you told me any half-truth? Thank you. Untruth?

PC: Mm.

LRH: All right. Said something only to impress me? Oh, what have you said only to impress me?

PC: Well, I always get the impression when I'm sitting here talking that I am impressing.

LRH: All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. You doing it on purpose?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Have you done it on purpose just for me?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. All right. have you said something only to impress me?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. Not anything particularly?

PC: Mm-mm.

LRH: All right. Let me clear that again.

PC: Mm.

LRH: Have you said something only to impress me? That's all right. Have you tried to damage anyone in this session? (short pause) Tried to damage anyone in this … Boy, you sure stop on damage, don't you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: The damage kid, huh?

PC: Yeah. (LRH: and PC chuckle)

LRH: All right. Okay. Now listen to me: Have you tried to damage anyone in this session?

PC: No.

LRH: That's so right. All right. Have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. That's in this session?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. In this session have you deliberately tried to influence the E-Meter?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. The subject of E-Meter seems a little rough with you here.

PC: Yeah, I got a lot of uh …

LRH: What's the matter?

PC: … you, never can tell what the meter is reading on. You know?

LRH: Don't auditors tell you?

PC: Oh Well, yeah, they tell me, but they say "Well, I - have I missed a withhold and - and they say - I say, they say "Well, it's clicking" and then I-it's unreal to me that uh … I… I… because I don't feel like I've failed to tell an auditor something. Then I dig, and it does clean up.

LRH: Mmm. Mmm. What do you answer them for?

PC: What do you mean?

LRH: Just what do you answer them for?

PC: Well, they say "Have I missed a withhold on you?" and I say no.

LRH: They actually missed at talking to the meter.

PC: Is that what goes on?

LRH: Well, sure. And you say - they say "Have I missed a withhold on you?" you see, and you say no. And they say "Oh, yes, you have" and so forth. - What are you talking for?

PC: Ha!

LRH: They're just rudiments.

PC: Oh!

LRH: You don't have to say anything.

PC: Well then I feel like if I don't do that, then I end up with "Have you …" It will read when it says "Have you failed to answer a question or a command?" (laughing)

LRH: All right. That's going to be and be caught three ways from the middle.

PC: Yeah. (LRH: and PC laugh) You're trapped any way you do it.

LRH: All right, honey. Well, you go ahead and answer it or not, as you please. (laughs)

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay. All right. Have you failed to answer any question or command I've given you in this session? That's clean. Thank you. You see, you didn't get a chance to answer me, did you?

PC: Mmm. .

LRH: All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There's a tiny, latent slowdown. Is there a little bit of something that …

PC: Just uh …

LRH: That's it.

PC: I'm sure if I dredged, I probably could find a lot of things, but like I - you haven't missed anything.

LRH: All right. But in this session …

PC: Yeah.

LRH: … in this session …

PC: Yeah.

LRH: … what we have done …

PC: Yeah.

LRH: … have I missed a withhold on you?

PC: No.

LRH: All right. I got a tick. I got a little latent tick here.

PC: Yeah. Well, I'm afraid if I take a look that I'm going to find something. Then it's going to be missed.

LRH: Go ahead and take a look.

PC: Okay.

LRH: I'm running this session. You relax!

PC: (laughs) Yeah. Okay.

LRH: (chuckles) All right.

PC: Let's see. (pause) No. Nothing.

LRH: All right. All right, let me check that again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? I got a click.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: That's it. That's it. That's it. Right there.

PC: Well just uh … see, this didn't turn up in this session.

LRH: Hm?

PC: It didn't turn up in this session, but it's - it's here now.

LRH: What is it?

PC: That's what I don't understand.

LRH: All right. Well, all right.

PC: Uh well, like I've got some discreditable habits that I don't particularly like uh … to talk about.

LRH: All right. All right.

PC: You know?

LRH: All right. Have I failed to find out about those?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: All right. Good. Good. All right. In this session have I missed a withhold on you? Well, it's just a latent tick now. - Now, what did you think of on that latent tick?

PC: Just wondering, well, are you going to - if it's going to click again.

LRH: Click click, click; There it is.

PC: Yeah. Just - just wondering, is it going to click again?

LRH: Well, no, it's latent.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: It's latent. I'm just being mean. I'm just cleaning it up hard …

PC: Yeah.

LRH: … see? All right. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? Yeah. Tick.

PC: Hmm.

LRH: Tick.

PC: Well, what you're you've missed is I get uh … just my … my mmm … I'm thinking thoughts, and now it's a missed withhold, and damn it. You know?

LRH: What is it?

PC: Just, well.

LRH: Are you sitting there trying to run the session?

PC: Uh …

LRH: Trying to keep yourself from thinking things and thinking things and …

PC: Uh … yeah. Actually, I'm trying not to dump all my case in your lap.

LRH: Well, thank you. Are you trying to keep me from missing a withhold? (chuckles)

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. All right. (chuckles)

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You're working much too hard, you know?

PC: Yeah. I am.

LRH: You know? That's my job just now. (laughs)

PC: Yeah. (chuckles) Okay.

LRH: All right. Now, what I've asked for and what I've looked into, you've told me, haven't you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Right. All right. Now, let me ask this question again. In this session, have I missed a withhold on you? There, that's very latent, and we're just going to leave it that way.

PC: Good.

LRH: All right. Because I think that one came up from anxiety of "is it going to be clean?"

PC: Yeah. It did.

LRH: You sure have a hell of a time with the meter.

PC: Yeah, I do.

LRH: Yeah. You're not used to an auditor like me. I just maul you around and say (chuckles) you're supposed to do this and that.

PC: Haaa. (sighs)

LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Click!

PC: I can really here that picture. It reminds me of the outrigger picture, the one that's in The Outrigger in Seattle.

LRH: All right. Good enough. Let me check this again.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Look around here and tell me if you can have anything. Tiny slowdown. What else did you run into?

PC: I was staring right into the face of the camera.

LRH: Oh, all right. It isn't on, that one.

PC: Ah, good-o.

LRH: All right. Let me check it again.

PC: Okay

LRH: All right. Look around here and tell me if you can have anything.

PC: That telephone.

LRH: That's my girl.

PC: Mm.

LRH: That was quite late.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: So we're just going to leave that one right there.

PC: Good.

LRH: You might give me a can - wait just a minute now. This …

PC: I've got them clutched awfully hard.

LRH: That's all right. I just - well, let me make sure that you've got some havingness here.

Squeeze them. Man! Man, who runs you with havingness that far down? What's your ordinary havingness run?

PC: Point out something.

LRH: Hm?

PC: You mean the process?

LRH: Yeah.

PC: Point out something.

LRH: Yeah? Well, here we go. We're going to run a few commands of that. All right?

PC: Would it be if - okay if I just do it like …

LRH: That? Just do it right like that.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right. Point out something.

PC: You.

LRH: Thank you. Point out something.

PC: That lamp.

LRH: Thank you. Point out something.

PC: That picture.

LRH: Thank you. Point out something.

PC: That - that thing on the mantel.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The camera.

LRH: Thank you. All right. Squeeze the cans, just like you did before.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: Boy, that's certainly not much can squeeze. How are you holding those cans?

PC: I'm clutching them.

LRH: All right. Give them a squeeze. All right. Point out something.

PC: The telephone.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: Those uh … curtains.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The radiator.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The … the television.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: That chair.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: That camera.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: Uh … that cabinet.

LRH: Good. All right. Squeeze the cans.

All right. Point out something.

PC: The couch.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: That fireplace.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The fire.

LRH: Good Point out something.

PC: Uh, the model under - on the floor:

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: Uh … that glass.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The lights.

LRH: All right. Put your cans in your lap now. All right. Squeeze the cans. That's better.

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Point out something.

PC: That case.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: That chest.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: Uh … those wires.

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The curtains.

LRH: All right. If it's all right with you, I'll give you two more commands and end this process.

PC: Fine.

LRH: Very good. Point out something.

PC: Uh … you. (chuckles)

LRH: Good. Point out something.

PC: The sign.

LRH: Good. All right. Is there anything you care to say before I end that process?

PC: Just I feel more here.

LRH: All right. Excellent. End of process.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Okay. Now, have you made any part of your gains this session - any part of your goals for this session, which was to find the missed withhold?"

PC: Yeah. That one doesn't seem very real to me somehow. But uh …

LRH: That goal? Yeah?

PC: Yeah. It just uh … what's more real to me is that uh … the chronic PTP is more handled.

LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, did we find something about this, and so forth?

PC: Yeah, on that one.

LRH: All right. Then you say "to get this PTP handled." Do you feel better about this PTP?

PC: Yeah I do.

LRH: All right, honey. Very good. All right. Is there any gains you'd care to mention?

PC: Well I just feel uh … much more comfortable about you. That's a big gain.

LRH: (chuckles) All right.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay.

PC: Yes.

LRH: All right. Anything else?

PC: Uh … (pause) There's another gain here, but I don't know how to put it. Um …

Yes, I do too know what it is. Uh … um … more willingness to communicate freely in front of a-a-a group. I didn't realize I'd be this comfortable about that.

LRH: (chuckles) Oh, all right. Very good.

PC: I didn't have to not-is them either. I was sort of on the edge of awareness that they were there.

LRH: (chuckles) Well, I must say you came through excellently well with that little warning. That …

PC: Yeah.

LRH: That was a surprise.

PC: I was totally in awe when I came up.

LRH: All right. And then, is there anything that you would care to say or ask before I end this session?

PC: No. That's all.

LRH: All right. Is it all right with you if I end this session now?

PC: Mmm.

LRH: All right. Here it is. End of session.

Okay. Has the session ended for you?

PC: Yes.

LRH: Very good. Tell me I'm no longer auditing you.

PC: You're no longer auditing me.

LRH: All right. Very good.

PC: And thanks again.

LRH: You're certainly welcome.