LRH: Dead, huh? You dead?

PC: Nope.

LRH: Which one of you is alive? Which one of you is alive?

PC: Center.

LRH: Center is alive?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Good. Just realized it?

PC: No.

LRH: You knew that all the time?

PC: Apparently not.

[Booklet 17 begins here with "FIRST DEMONSTRATION", "AUD: Does any of your theta bodies have any MEST bodies anywhere else?"]

LRH: Mm-hm. You knew that.

All right. Do you - does any of your theta bodies have another MEST body anyplace else but here?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. Which one has a MEST body somewhere else?

PC: Left outside.

LRH: The left outside has a body someplace else, huh? Is that right? Yeah.

And what's the body like?

PC: About three inches taller.

LRH: About three inches taller? Mm-hm. What's it do normally?

PC: I don't know. Doctor?

LRH: Doctor? Used to be a doctor?

PC: No, is.

LRH: It is a doctor? Oh, you got another body on earth?

PC: No.

LRH: Got another body on earth, or you're splitting a body with somebody? Well, that's okay.

PC: Yep.

LRH: The left side splitting a body with somebody?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. Okay.

How about a body elsewhere? Does the left side have a body somewhere else?

PC: No.

LRH: No. How about the right side? Does it have a body somewhere else?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. The right side have a body somewhere else, huh? And where's that body?

PC: Well, that body is a long ways off.

LRH: A long way off.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Where would you think it was?

PC: The first one was Mars.

LRH: The first flash is Mars?

PC: Yeah, that was what it was …

LRH: What a coincidence, Mars again! My, that's coincidental. It's been a coincidence now for an awful lot of preclears, except one had to break the chain - only I think he's a traitor to the cause.

PC: When I said "long ways off" it was Mars.

LRH: Mars, huh?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, you don't mind it being Mars, do you?

PC: No.

LRH: Do you have a body there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What's it do?

PC: First thing I get is "run things."

LRH: It runs things, huh?

PC: Runs things, ruler, driver - not driver, no …

LRH: Was it a ruler once?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Good old days, huh?

PC: No, now.

LRH: Now?

PC: That's what I get.

LRH: Mm-hm. The machine doesn't.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Tell me, is this body alive?

PC: No.

LRH: Oh, the body's dead?

PC: No.

LRH: Body isn't dead …

PC: No.

LRH: … isn't alive, yeah. Where do you imagine it could be?

PC: Between times.

LRH: Just sort of between times, huh? Mm-hm. There we are. Now we're getting the between-lives hunt. Okay.

PC: I'll be damned.

LRH: Now, let's find out some more about this body. Is it lying on a shelf?

PC: No.

LRH: Is it lying in a box?

PC: No.

LRH: Is it lying in a pit?

PC: No.

LRH: Is it sitting someplace?

PC: Standing.

LRH: It's standing.

PC: Yeah, that's what I get.

LRH: Oh, you poor devil. It's standing, huh? Where is it standing?

PC: Standing in a hall.

LRH: Standing in a hall.

PC: Waiting for a turn.

LRH: Waiting for its turn, to what?

PC: Report.

LRH: Does it think you're dead?

PC: Nope.

LRH: The heck it doesn't. (audience laughter) When did it think you were dead?

PC: Earlier.

LRH: Thought you were dead earlier. During an operation? Did you ever die in an operation? Did …

PC: No.

LRH: …ever think you died in an operation?

PC: No, I haven't had any major one, except tonsillectomy maybe …

LRH: Tonsillectomy?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about a tonsillectomy? Did it think you died in a tonsillectomy?

PC: Could be. Getting it strong on that.

LRH: It just thinks you're dead?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Sort of missing. Well, what's it doing right now then?

PC: Waiting.

LRH: Waiting. How long has it been waiting there?

PC: A thousand years, roughly.

LRH: It's been in the area thousands of years?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: It hasn't been waiting in line thousands of years?

PC: No.

LRH: Has it been waiting in line thousands of years?

PC: No.

LRH: No. All right. Has it been up there thousands of years?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is it in good repair now?

PC: No.

LRH: Could you monitor that body from right where you are right now?

Could you make it do something?

PC: Thought I get - first thought I got on that was no, but I think I could.

LRH: Oh? Could you do something to it? Make it do something?

PC: No.

LRH: Why? Why can't you make it do something?

PC: First thought I get on this is "I don't want to."

LRH: Oh, go on. Give it a nudge. Give it a nudge.

PC: All right.

LRH: Give it a good nudge - solid nudge.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Hit it harder.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, make it turn around and slug the next guy in line.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right, let's slug somebody else now; let's start a riot. Anything wrong with starting a riot? See, you realize it will probably get killed, don't you? Would it be bad if it got killed?

PC: Yeah, seems to be.

LRH: Would it be bad if it got killed?

PC: No.

LRH: It's getting a little hunt here now; that's just fine. Would you be free if it got killed?

PC: Maybe, yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're not too worried about it, though? They ever tell it to tell you what to do?

PC: No.

LRH: They ever tell it what to do?

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Mm-hm. That's not as bad, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: No? Pretty good, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Hm, fine. Look, if you didn't have to report back there, could you go someplace else?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. Would you be free?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, is that bad?

PC: No. (yawns)

LRH: No. Well, let's take a look at this again. Where's the body now?

PC: Here.

LRH: Did it just come back? The theta body just come back here?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. Where's its body?

PC: Here and there.

LRH: Where's its NEST body?

PC: Here.

LRH: Mm-hm. Its MEST body is here. Is there a MEST body there?

PC: No.

LRH: What happened?

PC: It's gone.

LRH: Was the body gone all the time?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm. What's it been doing, one of these perpetual stand-in-lines?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How long has this been going on?

PC: Thousands of years, maybe.

LRH: Thousands of years. How long ago did this NEST body die?

PC: The number I get on it is thirty thousand.

LRH: About thirty thousand years ago. Long time ago, huh?

LRH: Not a long time ago?

PC: No, thirty thousand years.

LRH: Oh, that's not a long time ago, that's right. Well, is it glad to be back here? Is he stuck in an incident?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What incident is he stuck in?

PC: What I get is Emanator business.

LRH: Got "none of your business," huh?

PC: I said Emanator business.

LRH: Emanator. He's stuck in the Emanator business?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, you can audit him out of that, can't you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, tell him to come up to present time.

PC: All right.

LRH: Can he?

PC: First thought I get on it is no, but I think it can be done.

LRH: Mm-hm. How about getting him to remember something absolutely real?

PC: (pause) All right.

LRH: Does he find something that's real to him?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. How about something else?

PC: (pause) No.

LRH: Can he find something else? What was the last real thing he got?

PC: Making an emanator.

LRH: Mm-hm. Overt act?

LRH: Mm-hm. Does he feel guilty about it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Some other being now answering than him, huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How about letting him answer?

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, I'm going to address him very directly. You glad to be back here and off the rat race?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Do you recognize it was a rat race?

PC: I get a "yeah" on that.

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you feel? Did you know anybody else was here in this body?

PC: No.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right, let's rapidly check: How many others are here in this body?

PC: Twelve.

LRH: About twelve? Mm-hm. How many of those are supernumerary?

PC: (sigh)

LRH: How many of them could you just get rid of right this minute?

PC: About four or five.

LRH: Well, shell them out.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Don't want to?

PC: Just a sec.

LRH: Hm?

PC: It takes time.

LRH: It takes time. All right, go ahead. Kick them out.

PC: It's been a favorite one.

LRH: All right. What did you get?

PC: Seven.

LRH: Mm-hm, okay. What were the others from? Overt acts or something?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Which one was responsible for holding them in?

PC: What I got is center.

LRH: Mm-hm. Center wanted to accumulate them?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: The stomach soul wanted to accumulate them?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Right side wanted to accumulate them?

PC: No.

LRH: Left side wanted to accumulate them?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Well, there's some more of them around. Tell me is there another one here that has a body up there?

PC: No.

LRH: Don't find another one, huh? How about the right side? Does it have a body anyplace else than here?

PC: No.

LRH: No? Well, I guess we got you. Let's get somebody else.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording. The demonstration resumes with a different preclear.]

[Booklet 17 says "SECOND DEMONSTRATION" at this point.]

LRH: Okay. You way back on the track?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How many million years?

PC: Oh, about fifteen, twenty.

LRH: Fifteen, twenty million years?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How about longer?

PC: Hm, could be.

LRH: She's way back. Which one of you is way back?

PC: Hmm …

LRH: Center?

PC: No, about three of me.

LRH: About three of you is way back?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Notice that emanation, that wide hunt there? That's way back. It got pretty narrow by the time they got to this last show, last thirty-rhousand-year show. Well now, tell me, any one of these theta bodies - does it have a body elsewhere?

PC: Mm-hm, two.

LRH: Has two.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Which one of them?

PC: Which one of them what?

LRH: Which one of them has a body elsewhere?

PC: Two of them have.

LRH: Well, which two?

PC: Oh! The left inside and the right center, the right of center.

LRH: just to the right of center?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay, where is this left inside body?

PC: Sirius.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, is it having a good time?

PC: Mm-hm. Always has a good time.

LRH: What do you know!

Anybody got a body of yours in pawn?

PC: No. (laugh)

LRH: Hm. That's the trouble with dames; they get exempt on these things a lot of times. (laugh)

All right. Well, how about Sirius, is it nice up there?

PC: Mm, could be better.

LRH: Mm-hm. Could be better. What's the planet's (snap) name?

PC: That's the only one I know about.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, guess we're not going to get too much information here on the subject of. Are they all kind of stuck on the track someplace or other this way?

PC: Mm, those two are pretty well stuck.

LRH: just two are.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, can you free them up? Which is the first one that could be brought up to present time?

PC: The right of center one.

LRH: The right of center one, huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What's holding it back?

PC: The agreement to come here in the first place.

LRH: Oh. Can you click that?

PC: I've been trying all day.

LRH: What's the matter? Is it sorry it came here?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Not sorry enough.

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Did it come here because it's got another one here?

PC: Mm, got a couple of friends there.

LRH: Got a couple of friends there?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Couple of your theta lines that are with you right now?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what if those left?

PC: Probably go too.

LRH: Well, which one of those won't go?

PC: The stomach one.

LRH: The stomach one won't go.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why won't it go?

PC: It's happy, I guess.

LRH: Is it happy?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Not unhappy. Hm, one big happy family.

PC: (laugh) Yeah.

LRH: Is that right? Evidently.

PC: I've got a nice somatic right here.

LRH: Oh, that one is putting up a protest.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, is that a man or a woman?

PC: Always women.

LRH: It's always women?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay, what's the matter with that one?

PC: Doesn't want to be bothered.

LRH: Does it hurt somewhere? Hm?

PC: Doesn't want to be bothered.

LRH: Doesn't want to be bothered.

PC: Hm-mm.

LRH: And when you try to bother it, what's it do?

PC: Demonstrates it doesn't want to be bothered by acting up.

LRH: By doing what?

PC: By turning on a somatic.

LRH: Turning on a somatic? Why don't you move in on it and boot it out of that somatic? Come on, just move in on it and boot it out of that somatic.

PC: (pause) It's gone. The somatic has gone off

LRH: The somatic is gone. Bring it all the way up to present time.

PC: (pause) Something is blocking it.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Something's blocking it.

LRH: Something blocking it …

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: … from coming up to present time?

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

[Booklet 17 omits this brief demo and skips to the next one.]

PC: … the tongue and stuff removed.

LRH: Hac vocal … Oh, had your tongue torn out.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm, makes difficult communication in MEST bodies.

PC: Yeah, a little difficult.

LRH: Well, does it recognize that there is - does it have a home?

PC: No. It's sticking pretty close to the center …

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: … and follows it around.

LRH: Doesn't it have a home someplace else?

PC: Oh Yeah, of its own, but it hasn't been back in a long time.

LRH: Why can't it go back?

PC: Hm, kind of likes it where - being on the right of the center one.

LRH: Turned a somatic on.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Doesn't make it very friendly.

PC: No, but if you have one that turns on the somatics, well, I'll leave it pretty much alone.

LRH: Mm-hm. Will leave it alone as long as it turns on …

PC: Not after this: I'll get after it.

LRH: Okay. How do you feel now?

PC: Good.

LRH: Good?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Okay.

[to audience] Somebody else here.

Male voice: Okay.

LRH: Okay. This gentleman has very kindly volunteered. Well, how are all "you all" tonight?

PC: Fine.

[Booklet 17 says "THIRD DEMONSTRATION" at this point.]

LRH: That's good. Let's get right down to the root of this matter. Which center are you running on? Which theta body are you running on?

PC: Right center.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Right center.

LRH: You're running on the right center? How about the center center?

PC: Sometimes.

LRH: How about the right side? Run on the right side?

PC: (mumble)

LRH: Mm-hm. Inboard right side? Outboard right side? Outboard right side?

PC: Inboard right side.

LRH: Inboard. Mm-hm. You sort of shift around, don't you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah. Any reason you have to? Can't your center be trusted? Can it be trusted?

PC: Sometimes.

LRH: Sometimes.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: When did it fail last?

PC: Which one?

LRH: Center.

PC: Which center?

LRH: Right here.

PC: Oh, the center one.

LRH: That's what I thought: sound asleep.

PC: For some time.

LRH: Yes. How about waking it up? Move over into it. Be it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Got it? How does it feel?

PC: Pretty good.

LRH: Any somatic turn on?

PC: One that usually does when I try to shift over into it.

LRH: Oh, well, where does the somatic turn on?

PC: Through the center of the head.

LRH: Through the center of the head.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What part of the center of the head?

PC: TOP.

LRH: Through the top?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: That's the somatic that knocked it out? Is this Facsimile One - what we ve been calling Facsimile One - getting a camera turned at you, a band put around your head and bap-bap-bap?

PC: Could be it.

LRH: So how does the center like the noise whirr bap-bap, whirr bap-bap, whirr bap-bap? Like this?

PC: Not too well.

LRH: Not too well. Well, are there three points up there on top of your skull or just one?

PC: Well, it's elongated.

LRH: Mm-hm, like the soft spot in a baby's head?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Oh. Is this a lock on Fac One?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Or is this before Fac One? Before? Earlier on the time track? Earlier.

PC: No.

LRH: Huh? Yeah. What did you do, get killed when you were a baby? Hit over the head or something? Fall out of your crib? Hit over the head?

PC: Hit over the head.

LRH: Hit over the head.

PC: Something like …

LRH: What hit you over the head? Somebody hit you over the head?

PC: A mace.

LRH: Hm?

PC: A mace of some sort.

LRH: As a baby?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Did you hit a baby over the head with a mace? (audience laughter)

Did you?

PC: Could have.

Male voice: I doubt it.

PC: Yeah, I don't think so.

LRH: YOU better not know, had you?

PC: No. Now that doesn't …

LRH: Mm-hm. This looks awfully between-lives to me all of a sudden.

That center got a body between lives?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is it alive?

PC: No.

LRH: Does it know?

PC: Can't know.

LRH: Can't know. How about the right side? Does it have a body between lives? How about the left side, does it have a body between lives?

Ahh, the left side, huh? Left side.

PC: Left side.

LRH: What is the viewpoint from that body? Take a look; step into the body and look. (pause)

PC: I have a hall of cylinders.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Seemingly, plastic cylinders.

LRH: Plastic cylinders, it sees some cylinders?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is it standing or sitting or lying? What is it?

PC: More or less suspended.

LRH: Suspended.

PC: Mm-hm, upright.

LRH: Suspended upright?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: In a cylinder7

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Are you inside the body looking, or are you outside looking at the cylinder7

PC: Well, I'm in a body looking at others.

LRH: Are you in your own body?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You in your own body?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Looking at others. That body alive?

PC: More or less suspended animation.

LRH: See that still needle reaction? Well, that's exactly what that says, and exactly what that means: suspended operation. Go on, kick him to life. Go ahead, move. Move some more. Move enough to knock the cylinder down.

PC: Hm.

LRH: What happens?

PC: cylinder broke.

LRH: Okay. Now what happens? (pause) We'll give it a couple of minutes.

(pause) What happens now?

PC: Body died.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Body died.

LRH: Yeah. Feel bad?

PC: A little bit.

LRH: Does it feel bad?

PC: It, the body?

LRH: No, the theta body of it.

PC: Hm-trifle; it was sort of attached to it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Was it told that the body would be cared for?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How long had that body been there?

PC: Thirty-five thousand, approximately.

LRH: About thirty-five thousand years. That's right. All right. Were you handled and controlled through that body?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You just realize it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is it a good thing the body is there? Was it a good thing the body was there?

PC: No. Good thing it's in the condition it is now.

LRH: Good. What do you know? You have a little doubt on that yet? Did that side keep going back to the body all the time?

PC: No. Well, conflict there.

LRH: Conflict.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Are we talking to some other theta body now? There is another between-lives body here.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Which is the next between-lives body?

PC: Right outboard or something …

LRH: Right outboard. Mm-hm. Right outboard. All right, this right-outboard body, where is it? Take a took at it.

All right, what's it look like?

PC: It seems like a blank cover.

LRH: Blank?

PC: Light coming in from the right.

LRH: Light coming in from the right. What is the light coming from, a window?

PC: Apparently. It seems like another tank, only this one's horizontal.

LRH: This one's a horizontal tank?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, is there a window there or a port that you look through or something?

PC: Right side is - of the tank apparently plastic. It's transparent.

LRH: What comes in through there? Anything? Light coming …

PC: Light.

LRH: Anything else?

PC: Vibration.

LRH: Are you inside the body?

PC: I wasn't.

LRH: Let's slide in. How's it feel?

PC: Moist, I think.

LRH: Moist?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What's the vibration like? Can you feel it?

PC: Mm-hm, slightly.

LRH: Mm-hm. What would happen if this body moved?

PC: Vibration would go off …

LRH: Go ahead and move. Find out.

PC: Some clamps on it.

LRH: Some clamps on it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well …

PC: Not exactly clamped down, but held.

LRH: It's held down.

PC: Little bit.

LRH: Well, can it struggle against them?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Go ahead, make a little struggle. (pause) What happens when you struggle?

PC: Vibration gets stronger at first.

LRH: Mm-hm. Struggle again. (pause) What's happening?

PC: Trying to move.

LRH: Good. Try to move it some more.

PC: I got the right foot free.

LRH: Got the right foot free. Go ahead, move it some more.

PC: (pause) Fluid seems to be going down.

LRH: Mm-hm. Move it some more. (pause) Make the grade? Can it get up?

Can't get up?

PC: Doesn't seem to be able to, no.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Vibrations stop and the fluids drip out.

LRH: Mm-hm. Now what's happening?

PC: Body is rather - decomposing rather rapidly.

LRH: Hm, is it?

PC: Seems dead.

LRH: Much of a quiver to dying? Glad to die?

PC: In a way.

LRH: In a way.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Not much emotion about it?

PC: Hm. No, it's apathetic.

LRH: Apathetic?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this theta-body line apathetic?

PC: Great degree.

LRH: Mm-hm. What it says here. All right, bring it back. Now …

PC: Okay.

LRH: … what's the sensation in that side?

PC: There was a tenseness or - all along the side of the hip.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is the tenseness still there?

PC: Slight degree.

LRH: Mm-hm. Tell it to come up to present time. It stuck someplace else than in this death?

PC: No.

LRH: Or is this a heck of an imposition, to knock it off and then have it come back here and tell it to be cheerful? Feel sad about that body being gone?

PC: It wouldn't help much.

LRH: Nope. Tell me something. Did they tell you originally that they'd really take good care of this body?

PC: Oh, yeah.

LRH: Has this side been reporting back there between lives?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Boy, this is that awful still needle, that you get on something like that. It - just been doing this for a long time, hasn't it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Would you consider this a rut?

PC: Rather deep.

LRH: Rather deep rut. Do you have to go through this rut anymore? Ask it if it has to go through this rut now.