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ENGLISH DOCS FOR THIS DATE- Anatomy of the Theta Body (HCL-21) - L520416a
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CONTENTS HCL-DEMO: THETA BODY DEMONSTRATION
HCL LECTURES - FINAL SECTION (Mar-April 1952)

HCL-DEMO: THETA BODY DEMONSTRATION

An auditing demonstration given on 16 April 1952 New R&D Vol. 10 page 415-439. [This was given at the end of the HCL lectures and so we have assigned the desiganation HCL-DEMO to this lecture] [This is based on the New R&D volumes only. We do not have a copy of the tape.] [A more abbreviated version of this transcript appears in Booklet 17 of the professional course lecture series, which implies that this tape was at one time designated lecture HCL-17. The booklets are not literal transcriptions but in this case we have used it as an additional source because we do not have the tape.] [In booklet 17, the end of this session leads into the middle of the session in lecture 27A which was also given on 16 April. Therefore this may be a fragment of HCL-27A.] [This is tape number 388 on the Flag Master List and marked as 5204C16B meaning it was the second lecture of April 16.] [The recording begins with the demonstration already in progress.]

LRH: Dead, huh? You dead?

PC: Nope.

LRH: Which one of you is alive? Which one of you is alive?

PC: Center.

LRH: Center is alive?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Good. Just realized it?

PC: No.

LRH: You knew that all the time?

PC: Apparently not.

[Booklet 17 begins here with "FIRST DEMONSTRATION", "AUD: Does any of your theta bodies have any MEST bodies anywhere else?"]

LRH: Mm-hm. You knew that.

All right. Do you - does any of your theta bodies have another MEST body anyplace else but here?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. Which one has a MEST body somewhere else?

PC: Left outside.

LRH: The left outside has a body someplace else, huh? Is that right? Yeah.

And what's the body like?

PC: About three inches taller.

LRH: About three inches taller? Mm-hm. What's it do normally?

PC: I don't know. Doctor?

LRH: Doctor? Used to be a doctor?

PC: No, is.

LRH: It is a doctor? Oh, you got another body on earth?

PC: No.

LRH: Got another body on earth, or you're splitting a body with somebody? Well, that's okay.

PC: Yep.

LRH: The left side splitting a body with somebody?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. Okay.

How about a body elsewhere? Does the left side have a body somewhere else?

PC: No.

LRH: No. How about the right side? Does it have a body somewhere else?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Mm-hm. The right side have a body somewhere else, huh? And where's that body?

PC: Well, that body is a long ways off.

LRH: A long way off.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Where would you think it was?

PC: The first one was Mars.

LRH: The first flash is Mars?

PC: Yeah, that was what it was …

LRH: What a coincidence, Mars again! My, that's coincidental. It's been a coincidence now for an awful lot of preclears, except one had to break the chain - only I think he's a traitor to the cause.

PC: When I said "long ways off" it was Mars.

LRH: Mars, huh?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, you don't mind it being Mars, do you?

PC: No.

LRH: Do you have a body there?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What's it do?

PC: First thing I get is "run things."

LRH: It runs things, huh?

PC: Runs things, ruler, driver - not driver, no …

LRH: Was it a ruler once?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Good old days, huh?

PC: No, now.

LRH: Now?

PC: That's what I get.

LRH: Mm-hm. The machine doesn't.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Tell me, is this body alive?

PC: No.

LRH: Oh, the body's dead?

PC: No.

LRH: Body isn't dead …

PC: No.

LRH: … isn't alive, yeah. Where do you imagine it could be?

PC: Between times.

LRH: Just sort of between times, huh? Mm-hm. There we are. Now we're getting the between-lives hunt. Okay.

PC: I'll be damned.

LRH: Now, let's find out some more about this body. Is it lying on a shelf?

PC: No.

LRH: Is it lying in a box?

PC: No.

LRH: Is it lying in a pit?

PC: No.

LRH: Is it sitting someplace?

PC: Standing.

LRH: It's standing.

PC: Yeah, that's what I get.

LRH: Oh, you poor devil. It's standing, huh? Where is it standing?

PC: Standing in a hall.

LRH: Standing in a hall.

PC: Waiting for a turn.

LRH: Waiting for its turn, to what?

PC: Report.

LRH: Does it think you're dead?

PC: Nope.

LRH: The heck it doesn't. (audience laughter) When did it think you were dead?

PC: Earlier.

LRH: Thought you were dead earlier. During an operation? Did you ever die in an operation? Did …

PC: No.

LRH: …ever think you died in an operation?

PC: No, I haven't had any major one, except tonsillectomy maybe …

LRH: Tonsillectomy?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How about a tonsillectomy? Did it think you died in a tonsillectomy?

PC: Could be. Getting it strong on that.

LRH: It just thinks you're dead?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Okay. Sort of missing. Well, what's it doing right now then?

PC: Waiting.

LRH: Waiting. How long has it been waiting there?

PC: A thousand years, roughly.

LRH: It's been in the area thousands of years?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: It hasn't been waiting in line thousands of years?

PC: No.

LRH: Has it been waiting in line thousands of years?

PC: No.

LRH: No. All right. Has it been up there thousands of years?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is it in good repair now?

PC: No.

LRH: Could you monitor that body from right where you are right now?

Could you make it do something?

PC: Thought I get - first thought I got on that was no, but I think I could.

LRH: Oh? Could you do something to it? Make it do something?

PC: No.

LRH: Why? Why can't you make it do something?

PC: First thought I get on this is "I don't want to."

LRH: Oh, go on. Give it a nudge. Give it a nudge.

PC: All right.

LRH: Give it a good nudge - solid nudge.

PC: Okay.

LRH: Hit it harder.

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, make it turn around and slug the next guy in line.

PC: Okay.

LRH: All right, let's slug somebody else now; let's start a riot. Anything wrong with starting a riot? See, you realize it will probably get killed, don't you? Would it be bad if it got killed?

PC: Yeah, seems to be.

LRH: Would it be bad if it got killed?

PC: No.

LRH: It's getting a little hunt here now; that's just fine. Would you be free if it got killed?

PC: Maybe, yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. You're not too worried about it, though? They ever tell it to tell you what to do?

PC: No.

LRH: They ever tell it what to do?

PC: Yeah!

LRH: Mm-hm. That's not as bad, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: No? Pretty good, huh?

PC: No.

LRH: Hm, fine. Look, if you didn't have to report back there, could you go someplace else?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. Would you be free?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, is that bad?

PC: No. (yawns)

LRH: No. Well, let's take a look at this again. Where's the body now?

PC: Here.

LRH: Did it just come back? The theta body just come back here?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Yeah. Where's its body?

PC: Here and there.

LRH: Where's its NEST body?

PC: Here.

LRH: Mm-hm. Its MEST body is here. Is there a MEST body there?

PC: No.

LRH: What happened?

PC: It's gone.

LRH: Was the body gone all the time?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Hm. What's it been doing, one of these perpetual stand-in-lines?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: How long has this been going on?

PC: Thousands of years, maybe.

LRH: Thousands of years. How long ago did this NEST body die?

PC: The number I get on it is thirty thousand.

LRH: About thirty thousand years ago. Long time ago, huh?

LRH: Not a long time ago?

PC: No, thirty thousand years.

LRH: Oh, that's not a long time ago, that's right. Well, is it glad to be back here? Is he stuck in an incident?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: What incident is he stuck in?

PC: What I get is Emanator business.

LRH: Got "none of your business," huh?

PC: I said Emanator business.

LRH: Emanator. He's stuck in the Emanator business?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, you can audit him out of that, can't you?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Well, tell him to come up to present time.

PC: All right.

LRH: Can he?

PC: First thought I get on it is no, but I think it can be done.

LRH: Mm-hm. How about getting him to remember something absolutely real?

PC: (pause) All right.

LRH: Does he find something that's real to him?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. How about something else?

PC: (pause) No.

LRH: Can he find something else? What was the last real thing he got?

PC: Making an emanator.

LRH: Mm-hm. Overt act?

LRH: Mm-hm. Does he feel guilty about it?

PC: Yep.

LRH: Some other being now answering than him, huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How about letting him answer?

PC: All right.

LRH: Now, I'm going to address him very directly. You glad to be back here and off the rat race?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Do you recognize it was a rat race?

PC: I get a "yeah" on that.

LRH: Mm-hm. How do you feel? Did you know anybody else was here in this body?

PC: No.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right, let's rapidly check: How many others are here in this body?

PC: Twelve.

LRH: About twelve? Mm-hm. How many of those are supernumerary?

PC: (sigh)

LRH: How many of them could you just get rid of right this minute?

PC: About four or five.

LRH: Well, shell them out.

PC: Hm.

LRH: Don't want to?

PC: Just a sec.

LRH: Hm?

PC: It takes time.

LRH: It takes time. All right, go ahead. Kick them out.

PC: It's been a favorite one.

LRH: All right. What did you get?

PC: Seven.

LRH: Mm-hm, okay. What were the others from? Overt acts or something?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Which one was responsible for holding them in?

PC: What I got is center.

LRH: Mm-hm. Center wanted to accumulate them?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: The stomach soul wanted to accumulate them?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Right side wanted to accumulate them?

PC: No.

LRH: Left side wanted to accumulate them?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Mm-hm. All right. Well, there's some more of them around. Tell me is there another one here that has a body up there?

PC: No.

LRH: Don't find another one, huh? How about the right side? Does it have a body anyplace else than here?

PC: No.

LRH: No? Well, I guess we got you. Let's get somebody else.

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording. The demonstration resumes with a different preclear.]

[Booklet 17 says "SECOND DEMONSTRATION" at this point.]

LRH: Okay. You way back on the track?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How many million years?

PC: Oh, about fifteen, twenty.

LRH: Fifteen, twenty million years?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How about longer?

PC: Hm, could be.

LRH: She's way back. Which one of you is way back?

PC: Hmm …

LRH: Center?

PC: No, about three of me.

LRH: About three of you is way back?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Notice that emanation, that wide hunt there? That's way back. It got pretty narrow by the time they got to this last show, last thirty-rhousand-year show. Well now, tell me, any one of these theta bodies - does it have a body elsewhere?

PC: Mm-hm, two.

LRH: Has two.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Which one of them?

PC: Which one of them what?

LRH: Which one of them has a body elsewhere?

PC: Two of them have.

LRH: Well, which two?

PC: Oh! The left inside and the right center, the right of center.

LRH: just to the right of center?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Okay, where is this left inside body?

PC: Sirius.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, is it having a good time?

PC: Mm-hm. Always has a good time.

LRH: What do you know!

Anybody got a body of yours in pawn?

PC: No. (laugh)

LRH: Hm. That's the trouble with dames; they get exempt on these things a lot of times. (laugh)

All right. Well, how about Sirius, is it nice up there?

PC: Mm, could be better.

LRH: Mm-hm. Could be better. What's the planet's (snap) name?

PC: That's the only one I know about.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, guess we're not going to get too much information here on the subject of. Are they all kind of stuck on the track someplace or other this way?

PC: Mm, those two are pretty well stuck.

LRH: just two are.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, can you free them up? Which is the first one that could be brought up to present time?

PC: The right of center one.

LRH: The right of center one, huh?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What's holding it back?

PC: The agreement to come here in the first place.

LRH: Oh. Can you click that?

PC: I've been trying all day.

LRH: What's the matter? Is it sorry it came here?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Not sorry enough.

PC: (laugh)

LRH: Did it come here because it's got another one here?

PC: Mm, got a couple of friends there.

LRH: Got a couple of friends there?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Couple of your theta lines that are with you right now?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Well, what if those left?

PC: Probably go too.

LRH: Well, which one of those won't go?

PC: The stomach one.

LRH: The stomach one won't go.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Why won't it go?

PC: It's happy, I guess.

LRH: Is it happy?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Not unhappy. Hm, one big happy family.

PC: (laugh) Yeah.

LRH: Is that right? Evidently.

PC: I've got a nice somatic right here.

LRH: Oh, that one is putting up a protest.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, is that a man or a woman?

PC: Always women.

LRH: It's always women?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Okay, what's the matter with that one?

PC: Doesn't want to be bothered.

LRH: Does it hurt somewhere? Hm?

PC: Doesn't want to be bothered.

LRH: Doesn't want to be bothered.

PC: Hm-mm.

LRH: And when you try to bother it, what's it do?

PC: Demonstrates it doesn't want to be bothered by acting up.

LRH: By doing what?

PC: By turning on a somatic.

LRH: Turning on a somatic? Why don't you move in on it and boot it out of that somatic? Come on, just move in on it and boot it out of that somatic.

PC: (pause) It's gone. The somatic has gone off

LRH: The somatic is gone. Bring it all the way up to present time.

PC: (pause) Something is blocking it.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Something's blocking it.

LRH: Something blocking it …

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: … from coming up to present time?

[At this point there is a gap in the original recording.]

[Booklet 17 omits this brief demo and skips to the next one.]

PC: … the tongue and stuff removed.

LRH: Hac vocal … Oh, had your tongue torn out.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Hm, makes difficult communication in MEST bodies.

PC: Yeah, a little difficult.

LRH: Well, does it recognize that there is - does it have a home?

PC: No. It's sticking pretty close to the center …

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: … and follows it around.

LRH: Doesn't it have a home someplace else?

PC: Oh Yeah, of its own, but it hasn't been back in a long time.

LRH: Why can't it go back?

PC: Hm, kind of likes it where - being on the right of the center one.

LRH: Turned a somatic on.

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Doesn't make it very friendly.

PC: No, but if you have one that turns on the somatics, well, I'll leave it pretty much alone.

LRH: Mm-hm. Will leave it alone as long as it turns on …

PC: Not after this: I'll get after it.

LRH: Okay. How do you feel now?

PC: Good.

LRH: Good?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Good. Okay.

[to audience] Somebody else here.

Male voice: Okay.

LRH: Okay. This gentleman has very kindly volunteered. Well, how are all "you all" tonight?

PC: Fine.

[Booklet 17 says "THIRD DEMONSTRATION" at this point.]

LRH: That's good. Let's get right down to the root of this matter. Which center are you running on? Which theta body are you running on?

PC: Right center.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Right center.

LRH: You're running on the right center? How about the center center?

PC: Sometimes.

LRH: How about the right side? Run on the right side?

PC: (mumble)

LRH: Mm-hm. Inboard right side? Outboard right side? Outboard right side?

PC: Inboard right side.

LRH: Inboard. Mm-hm. You sort of shift around, don't you?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Yeah. Any reason you have to? Can't your center be trusted? Can it be trusted?

PC: Sometimes.

LRH: Sometimes.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: When did it fail last?

PC: Which one?

LRH: Center.

PC: Which center?

LRH: Right here.

PC: Oh, the center one.

LRH: That's what I thought: sound asleep.

PC: For some time.

LRH: Yes. How about waking it up? Move over into it. Be it.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Got it? How does it feel?

PC: Pretty good.

LRH: Any somatic turn on?

PC: One that usually does when I try to shift over into it.

LRH: Oh, well, where does the somatic turn on?

PC: Through the center of the head.

LRH: Through the center of the head.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What part of the center of the head?

PC: TOP.

LRH: Through the top?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: That's the somatic that knocked it out? Is this Facsimile One - what we ve been calling Facsimile One - getting a camera turned at you, a band put around your head and bap-bap-bap?

PC: Could be it.

LRH: So how does the center like the noise whirr bap-bap, whirr bap-bap, whirr bap-bap? Like this?

PC: Not too well.

LRH: Not too well. Well, are there three points up there on top of your skull or just one?

PC: Well, it's elongated.

LRH: Mm-hm, like the soft spot in a baby's head?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Oh. Is this a lock on Fac One?

PC: Mm.

LRH: Or is this before Fac One? Before? Earlier on the time track? Earlier.

PC: No.

LRH: Huh? Yeah. What did you do, get killed when you were a baby? Hit over the head or something? Fall out of your crib? Hit over the head?

PC: Hit over the head.

LRH: Hit over the head.

PC: Something like …

LRH: What hit you over the head? Somebody hit you over the head?

PC: A mace.

LRH: Hm?

PC: A mace of some sort.

LRH: As a baby?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Did you hit a baby over the head with a mace? (audience laughter)

Did you?

PC: Could have.

Male voice: I doubt it.

PC: Yeah, I don't think so.

LRH: YOU better not know, had you?

PC: No. Now that doesn't …

LRH: Mm-hm. This looks awfully between-lives to me all of a sudden.

That center got a body between lives?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: Is it alive?

PC: No.

LRH: Does it know?

PC: Can't know.

LRH: Can't know. How about the right side? Does it have a body between lives? How about the left side, does it have a body between lives?

Ahh, the left side, huh? Left side.

PC: Left side.

LRH: What is the viewpoint from that body? Take a look; step into the body and look. (pause)

PC: I have a hall of cylinders.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Seemingly, plastic cylinders.

LRH: Plastic cylinders, it sees some cylinders?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is it standing or sitting or lying? What is it?

PC: More or less suspended.

LRH: Suspended.

PC: Mm-hm, upright.

LRH: Suspended upright?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: In a cylinder7

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Mm-hm. Are you inside the body looking, or are you outside looking at the cylinder7

PC: Well, I'm in a body looking at others.

LRH: Are you in your own body?

PC: Yeah.

LRH: You in your own body?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Looking at others. That body alive?

PC: More or less suspended animation.

LRH: See that still needle reaction? Well, that's exactly what that says, and exactly what that means: suspended operation. Go on, kick him to life. Go ahead, move. Move some more. Move enough to knock the cylinder down.

PC: Hm.

LRH: What happens?

PC: cylinder broke.

LRH: Okay. Now what happens? (pause) We'll give it a couple of minutes.

(pause) What happens now?

PC: Body died.

LRH: Hm?

PC: Body died.

LRH: Yeah. Feel bad?

PC: A little bit.

LRH: Does it feel bad?

PC: It, the body?

LRH: No, the theta body of it.

PC: Hm-trifle; it was sort of attached to it.

LRH: Mm-hm. Was it told that the body would be cared for?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: How long had that body been there?

PC: Thirty-five thousand, approximately.

LRH: About thirty-five thousand years. That's right. All right. Were you handled and controlled through that body?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: You just realize it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is it a good thing the body is there? Was it a good thing the body was there?

PC: No. Good thing it's in the condition it is now.

LRH: Good. What do you know? You have a little doubt on that yet? Did that side keep going back to the body all the time?

PC: No. Well, conflict there.

LRH: Conflict.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Are we talking to some other theta body now? There is another between-lives body here.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Which is the next between-lives body?

PC: Right outboard or something …

LRH: Right outboard. Mm-hm. Right outboard. All right, this right-outboard body, where is it? Take a took at it.

All right, what's it look like?

PC: It seems like a blank cover.

LRH: Blank?

PC: Light coming in from the right.

LRH: Light coming in from the right. What is the light coming from, a window?

PC: Apparently. It seems like another tank, only this one's horizontal.

LRH: This one's a horizontal tank?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well, is there a window there or a port that you look through or something?

PC: Right side is - of the tank apparently plastic. It's transparent.

LRH: What comes in through there? Anything? Light coming …

PC: Light.

LRH: Anything else?

PC: Vibration.

LRH: Are you inside the body?

PC: I wasn't.

LRH: Let's slide in. How's it feel?

PC: Moist, I think.

LRH: Moist?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: What's the vibration like? Can you feel it?

PC: Mm-hm, slightly.

LRH: Mm-hm. What would happen if this body moved?

PC: Vibration would go off …

LRH: Go ahead and move. Find out.

PC: Some clamps on it.

LRH: Some clamps on it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Well …

PC: Not exactly clamped down, but held.

LRH: It's held down.

PC: Little bit.

LRH: Well, can it struggle against them?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Go ahead, make a little struggle. (pause) What happens when you struggle?

PC: Vibration gets stronger at first.

LRH: Mm-hm. Struggle again. (pause) What's happening?

PC: Trying to move.

LRH: Good. Try to move it some more.

PC: I got the right foot free.

LRH: Got the right foot free. Go ahead, move it some more.

PC: (pause) Fluid seems to be going down.

LRH: Mm-hm. Move it some more. (pause) Make the grade? Can it get up?

Can't get up?

PC: Doesn't seem to be able to, no.

LRH: Mm-hm.

PC: Vibrations stop and the fluids drip out.

LRH: Mm-hm. Now what's happening?

PC: Body is rather - decomposing rather rapidly.

LRH: Hm, is it?

PC: Seems dead.

LRH: Much of a quiver to dying? Glad to die?

PC: In a way.

LRH: In a way.

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Not much emotion about it?

PC: Hm. No, it's apathetic.

LRH: Apathetic?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Is this theta-body line apathetic?

PC: Great degree.

LRH: Mm-hm. What it says here. All right, bring it back. Now …

PC: Okay.

LRH: … what's the sensation in that side?

PC: There was a tenseness or - all along the side of the hip.

LRH: Mm-hm. Is the tenseness still there?

PC: Slight degree.

LRH: Mm-hm. Tell it to come up to present time. It stuck someplace else than in this death?

PC: No.

LRH: Or is this a heck of an imposition, to knock it off and then have it come back here and tell it to be cheerful? Feel sad about that body being gone?

PC: It wouldn't help much.

LRH: Nope. Tell me something. Did they tell you originally that they'd really take good care of this body?

PC: Oh, yeah.

LRH: Has this side been reporting back there between lives?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Boy, this is that awful still needle, that you get on something like that. It - just been doing this for a long time, hasn't it?

PC: Mm-hm.

LRH: Would you consider this a rut?

PC: Rather deep.

LRH: Rather deep rut. Do you have to go through this rut anymore? Ask it if it has to go through this rut now.

(Recording ends abruptly) [At this point, booklet 17 continues without a break, as if part of the same session, with material from the demo session near the beginning of lecture HCL27A. Considering that this demo and HCL 27 and 27A are all on the same date and that there are gaps in these early recordings, it is likely that the above is a fragment that belongs within HCL27A.]